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Paul Waters Interviews Warren Beath |
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Author Warren Beath and Fabi Gomez. Cholame, CA |
Author Warren Beath being interviewed in Cholame CA. |
Warren Beath Interview, Part 1:
PW: When did you get a clear concept of what would become the novel "Who Killed James Dean?" How did you go about structuring it?
WB: I start novels on faith and write the parts that are already shapes in my imagination. Then I write toward those parts or away from them. It starts like a movie trailer– I see glimpses of sex and violence that stimulate me and the process is a struggle of trying to make sense out of them. Structuring is not my strong suite. I think the idea of attempting something was born when I read the novel "Who Killed Sal Mineo?"
PW: Give examples of some interviews you could not get, as far as people being unwilling to speak about Dean.
WB: The book that came to be called– by its publisher– "The Death of James Dean" was really my book called "California Death Trip" and it was about the obsession with death and with celebrity death cult. And it was about me and the effect of growing up with a fevered imagination near where James Dean was killed. When they changed the title it became an unbalanced book– not unnaturally people expected it to be all about James Dean. So I had this form in my imagination and I knew the story I wanted to tell and it was my story in a major way– and I was not going to be dependent on interviewing Elizabeth Taylor or George Barris.
PW: Which friends of James Dean warmed to you immediately and were the most helpful during research for "The Death of..." and "Who Killed..."?
WB: Of Dean's friends, Bill Hickman and Jack Douglas were very helpful. They were two friends who were involved in the events of that last day. The policemen and the eyewitnesses I interviewed– we seemed to get along great.
PW: If the reader is to assume that the character of Lou Ehlers, in the novel, is based loosely on yourself, how many and which of the other characters contain elements of your own personality?
WB: The character of Devereux was also me– I understood both those people very well and they were written from the inside out.
PW: In the Author's Note at the end of your Dean novel you gave an eloquent overview of your approach to the novel and wrote that many people participated on the guarantee of anonymity for the remainder of their lives. Twelve years later, since "Who Killed..." was published, are there any real names that can now be revealed, as in the instance of individuals being now dead?
WB: Actually, most still are alive. I hope to have help from them on one more Dean book.
PW: What did you think of Ron Smith's piece on Dean's death which appeared in a 1990 issue of the Robb Report? Did you ever have any contact with Smith?
WB: That article was very interesting– I believe I am mentioned in the article though he did not interview me. But it was in a nice mag and sort of represented the codification of the myth as something not merely the province of tabloids but as an indelible part of popular culture and a fixture in the collective consciousness.
PW: There seems to be some discrepancies in the various documents describing Dean's injuries in the fatal accident. One says Jimmy had no bloody cuts or gashes of any kind, yet there was very little blood found arterially to test for alcohol content. Elsewhere one finds injury descriptions that state Dean's legs were OK, except for one document that says he sustained a fracture of one leg. Please comment on the contradictions found in the Dean accident reports.
WB: He had terrible injuries– one eyewitness said it was like his face was covered with muddy syrup. So the body was quite bloody when removed from the car. But I think the morticians did wonders in cleaning him up. One commented that he would have been presentable for an open-casket funeral.
PW: Do you think the 70's and 80's were a far more exciting and interesting time to be a Dean fan? Specifically, I mean before the aggressive legal clamp down by CMG and the Family.
WB: Definitely, those were great days– the subject of Dean was wide-open for conjecture and as a jumping-off place for all sorts of speculations and extensions of the myth. The fan base congealed around the family and the homogenization of Jimmy– which in retrospect is now pretty apparent as a basically homophobic-inspired rehabilitation of an image that was coming to be tarnished by allegations of an alternative lifestyle.
PW: Please give an overview of your feelings about the mass marketing of James Dean by CMG, and the Family's involvement with them.
WB: It seems like Fairmount could only embrace Jimmy Dean– finally– in concert with a reformatting of his image in the cultural software.
PW: What did you think of the Dean biopics Portrait of a Friend, Race With Destiny, and TNT's James Dean? In particular, how did you feel about the handling of Dean's death in the one film that attempted to stage it (Race With..)?
WB: They just seem to string together some visual and aural cliches– scream of brakes, shattered windshield, the dust clearing– I like the way it was portrayed in The James Dean story– on the actual highway. It seems to evoke the time and event better than any of the recreations. But the recreations are important– they render a visual tradition. The essence of liturgy is repetition and these different recastings and re-imaginings of the event solidify the religious aspect.
PW: Some reports about the actual collision between the Ford and the Porsche claim that the Spyder simply skittered off the road undramatically after the impact. Others say it was launched into a series of horrific cartwheels ending in a cloud of dust against the phone pole. What is your take on the trajectory of the Porsche?
WB: My opinion changes with new bits of evidence. Today I suspect that the passenger side would have been more damaged in cartwheel-type motions. It spun counter-clockwise but I would disagree that it wasn't dramatic. Especially the forensic evidence that confirms Dean's direct contact with the grill of the car.
PW: Please give examples of some bizarre and interesting characters you've met at Cholame over the years.
WB: It's probably the people who have met me there who could answer that.
PW: Were you ever able to reconcile a friendship with Vampira after she withdrew from the candid correspondence described in "The Death of James Dean"?
WB: I did not make any attempt. I was told that the issue was the mention of her missing teeth. I still hear from her current acolytes who accuse me of stealing her story. Which is absurd, because she has been telling her story since I was four years old, and even today has a more bully pulpit from which to tell any story she wants to tell on various TV specials and things.
PW: Some have commented that they feel "The Death of.." slows and muddies a bit during the excerpt detailing individuals like Ed Wood and Tor Johnson. The same with Maila Nurmi. Why did you feel those elements were important to the story?
WB: I was most interested in the aspect of Dean as a Hollywood grotesque– a strange and chimerical character who was sexually ambiguous, and separated from his fellow lurkers in the Hollywood demimonde only by genius.
PW: When and how did you arrive at the idea which would eventually evolve into the James Dean in Death encyclopedia and its website?
WB: The website I attribute to Paula Wheeldon. I have so much material I have collected and have always wanted to display it in a scrapbook format– and I guess this book is the closest thing that was acceptable to a publisher who would work with me.
PW: Describe your brief encounter with the tragic figure of Donald Turnupseed.
WB: What developed into a multi-million dollar business seemed just a little hole-in-the wall shop at the time. His mother was there, and his father. Donald Turnupseed was actually very polite and even smiled– though he declined to help me with my term paper (I think I was seventeen or so). I think if he had sat down and told me the story, my curiosity might have been satisfied. As it was he sent me on a nearly forty-year odyssey.
PW: Do you think the interest and fascination with Dean is fading now after 51 years, or is it simply a lull before the next revival?
WB: I guess he doesn't make the money for his heirs that Marilyn does– if his earning power is a reflection. I think he fades a bit– finally– as the media becomes dated.
PW: Is there any stretch of Dean's final route still in use today?
WB: Well, the same alignment is in use most of the way. Not the original road surface of course.
PW: What is your take on works by Defechereux and Raskin that examine James Dean's accident and death in detail?
WB: Defechereux's books have been very disappointing missed opportunities– nice layout and pictures, and abysmal errors. Very nice layout and really third-rate research. I mean, confusing Bob Hinkle with Bill Hickman? It goes on from there. Raskin's book is one I can really appreciate. The focus is on the cars and the races and the accident. It's wonderfully illustrated and I really endorse anything that promotes that part of the Dean culture. It's a wonderful addition to the death and accident lore.
PW: What do you think of Terry Cunningham's James Dean:The Way it Was, and Cunningham's claim of obtaining an exclusive interview with Donald Turnupseed?
WB: "Pure bullshit" was the comment of Turnupseed's son. I can't say it any better.
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Author Warren Beath at James Dean's grave. Fairmount,IN. |
Warren Beath Interview Part 2
PW: Much has been written about Dean having a death wish or not. How do you interpret Dean's fatalistic and morbid tendencies?
WB: People who lose a parent at an early age-- I did, too-- tend to be depressive. And people driven to a precocious and early demonstration of talent often have something to prove to others, and to themselves. He wrote something fanciful about himself in a copy of Hemingway's Death in the Afternoon to the effect, "Why did James Dean throw all his gifts away in the bullring?" People who are unsure of themselves or who suspect they never will measure up, self-destruction is the most profound form of self-criticism. But it's also a transcendant act where you rise above yourself to deliver a final verdict rejecting yourself. You always feel that the absent parent rejected you, no matter what.
Ghostly Reflection off James Dean's Tombstone: Photo taken by Warren Beath
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PW: What kind of obstacles did you run into while preparing James Dean in Death?
WB: I had never been published. It's nearly impossible to get a book published– well, maybe one book in three thousand is finally picked up by a publisher.
PW: Please give examples of negative feedback you've had to deal with pertaining to The Death of James Dean.
WB: The only negativity I got was when the book came out and the lady at the Fairmount Museum was circulating a petition to get it banned.
PW: Did you uncover evidence for one of your books that Dean and Rolf Wuetherich, the German mechanic, had a homosexual affair?
WB: I cannot say I have uncovered any evidence. Intuition tells me that Rolf was a lot more attractive than either Bill Bast or Jack Simmons.
PW: What happened to Charles Adams, the police officer whom Dean supposedly befriended and who later knew Winton and drafted detailed diagrams of Jimmy's accident? How were you able to substantiate the story that Adams actually knew Jimmy?
WB: Adams died, and I have looked for his surviving relatives. I hope that if I publish his pictures, maybe eventually one of them will contact me. I tend not to believe that Adams knew Jimmy. Dean's life is very well-documented, photographically, and there is a reason that some people-- Adams included-- are not mentioned by any of the big researchers. They have marginal credibility, and they have transparent needs to have people believe they were friends with James Dean. I think Adams hoped it would explain his absorption with Dean if he said they were friends. I don't think Monty Roberts The Horse Whisperer ever met Dean, either.
PW: In The Death of James Dean, the recovering Rolf Wuetherich is visited in the hospital by a mysterious woman known only as Betty Shaw, which is a pseudonym. Can her real identity be revealed today?
PW: . In the novel, Who Killed James Dean?, you wrote of cultists exhuming Dean's body to reunite it with the fabled Spyder. You described in detail what Dean's corpse would probably look like, i.e. facial features blurred, skin the color of parchment paper, patches of mold on the suit he was buried in, and the body would be generally shrunken and smaller than one would expect. What was your source for the condition of a 40 year old corpse after exhumation?
WB: Like Shakespeare said, moisture is the enemy of your basic corpse. And it's a fallacy that caskets are always moisture-proof. But if there is moisture you see all sorts of unpleasantness. The better the seal, the more likelihood the corpse is going to be more dessicated than gooey. I guess I'm sort of a student of decomposition in a minor way, and a longtime member of the Hollywood Underground list which has several morticians among its contributors.
PW:. Alternative Rock singer, Morrissey, once referred to James Dean as completely miserable even after he (Dean) became successful. Morrissey also commented that only the sense of alienation changed with the arrival of fame and cash; that is to say, possibly, that success and money wipes away any feeling of being alienated. I personally can't agree with that point, preferring instead Morrissey's evocative and timeless emotional references and tributes within certain songs of his, which never mention Dean by name, both Smiths and the brilliant solo work. What do you think?
WB: I think Morrissey is guessing. I don't think Dean had experienced fame and wealth long enough for ennui to set in. He had not lived an extravagant lifestyle and his one big extravagance wound up killing him in very short order.
PW: In your opinion, what is the worst song about James Dean, or that which mentions him? For me, it's a tie between Larry John McNally's utterly clueless, aimless and musically vacuous ode by one who misses the point completely, and The Goo Goo Dolls' seemingly drunken, sloppy acoustic drivel about (another!) equally brain dead perspective, only with the added slightly veiled homophobic slant. Running close behind these Dean-inspired atrocities is Phil Ochs' Jim Dean of Indiana, which, in typical tuneless, nasal delivery, sounds like Phil and whatever accompaniment there is, remains several miles away from any mic. Then there is Joan Jett's Ridin' With James Dean, though more aggressive ‘80's rock and roll fare, is light years away from any meaningful evocation of Jimmy; instead, any chance of Dean being evoked through Jett's pounding snarl is lost amongst a tangle of mediocre the grrl rocker's inarticulate belligerence.
WB: Lou Reed's "Take A Walk On the Wild Side" bugs me. It's the black girls in the background– adds up to a pretty annoying ditty. But the Eagles "James Dean" also bugs me– "Along came a Spyder and picked up a rider"... isn't that what it says? Madonna's "Vogue" is pretty creepy. And the amateur tribute songs are wonderful ... sometimes they set lyrics to the themes from the movies. Leonard Rosenmann would be spinning in his grave like a lathe ... wait, he's not dead.
PW: Although much has been written about the alleged rivalry and hatred between Rock Hudson and James Dean, do you think it possible the relations soured after a brief sexual affair between the two much earlier, such as around the time of their appearance in "Has Anybody Seen My Gal?" Both men were very active in the homosexual demimonde of Hollywood and New York, perhaps Hudson more in Hollywood, but he and Dean had to have run into each other repeatedly between 1950 and '55. Of course it's speculative hearsay, but the rumour has circulated for years about them being briefly involved. Sal Mineo denied ever having an affair with Dean, and since Hudson and Dean were radically different personalities it's unlikely they would have hit it off. Comment?
WB: It's hard to imagine Anthony Perkins and Tab Hunter having an affair, yet they did. But Rock seemed to like more normal-type guys. Apparently the guys who would catch his interest would often be regular Joes who were happily married. So Dean would seem to be outside the profile for a Rock Hunter conquest.
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